This one was a done deal before the comic even came out. Outcast will be on air on Cinemax. Deadline reported that casting has begun and the lead has been cast.
Patrick Fugit (Almost Famous, Gone Girl) has landed the lead in Cinemax’s new exorcism drama Outcast, from The Walking Dead executive producer Robert Kirkman. The supernatural horror project is based on Kirkman and artist Paul Azaceta’s comic series of the same name which hit shelves this summer. Joining Fugit in the cast are British actor Philip Glenister (Life on Mars) and youngster Gabriel Bateman (Stalker, Annabelle), while rising features helmer Adam Wingard (The Guest, You’re Next) has been tapped to direct the pilot produced by Fox International Channels.
Outcast #1 is selling raw for $7 and up with 9.8 CGC graded selling for around $45 and up. Still a value grab if you can find first prints on the shelf
it won’t matter the large print run, in my opinion this is going to be HUGE!!!! got 11 books signed and CGC and don’t even think about selling one right now, if you are not reading this book i can tell you with only 5 issues is way waaaaay better than The Walking Dead was by issue 5, plus Cinemax??? the show can easily end on HBO, on a side note, every single page from issue 1 was purchesed by Kirkman, yes, no joke, Kirkrman paid Azaceta for EVERY SINGLE page of issue 1
any more sings this is going to be huge?
I’m on the other side on this one. Briefly a CGC 9.8 was over $200 for those who fast tracked but due to the large print run and amount of books graded I feel they will stay rather easily obtainable at a reasonable cost. Perhaps the a CGC 9.8 that’s now hovering around $45-$50 may make its way back up to $200. Yet I’m sure even more will be submitted now that casting has begun to add to the over 1000 CGC 9.8’s already graded. I suspect several others few held out for solid news rather than being burned with previous Kirkman books that were picked up.
So, raw at $7 is around $4 over cost. $45 for a CGC 9.8 and depending on the grading cost you spent with shipping costs, someone still isn’t making much off these right now and with the amount available, I think the value will go up but we’re not talking Walking Dead type values, not anytime soon if ever.
Sell high, buy low. That’s all you can do, the market is unpredictable and this one is a tough one since the comic is only on issue 5 while they’re already starting to cast for the media deal that was announced before #1 even hit the stands.
I won’t make any comparisons to Walking Dead. To me, that’s unfair. Even though they’re the same writer, they are too completely stories. Saying one is better than the other by it’s issue number is only an opinion, which one is entitled but I don’t even think you can compare these books.
Any time people are speculating from day one, with a relatively large print run compared to books of the same era, be ready to be let down. The fact that some people have 11 is exactly the issue of concern. Things are starting to remind me of the nineties. Remember, lots of those dollar bin books saw some increase then too. Spawn 1 used to be hot, etc. etc. Yes, I know print runs are an order of magnitude different (or two), but there are also a lot less people buying them IMO, with digital, etc.
I’ll have to dig and search but I’m pretty sure I read an article where sales have been climbing again, more people are going for the prints over the digital buys. I like digital but for every digital I usually have a printed copy, just for the collector aspect and the value a physical comic has over it’s digital counterpart.
I don’t even know if we have Cinemax… the post mentions Showtime and somebody else mentioned HBO… I’m confused
I think it is indeed Cinemax from everything I have seen. (This is Chris from above btw – now using wordpress).
What I found, it is indeed Cinemax that optioned the rights to the show/movie, etc.
Doesn’t matter matter the print run is not even that huge. Look at preacher.. I’m 100 percent sure this will be a stellar hit.. Its kirkman.. This is a great read none the less.. I guess a lot of people will join the Outcast train..
I was searching Google for Outcast news and came across this interesting article from the 1st: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48877
I hate trademarks on common dictionary words, just stupid if you ask me. Anyone should be entitled to use a common dictionary term for their comic book or story as long as the story is unique and not copying any other peoples copyrighted work.
And I’m pretty sure Kirkman has more money than Valiant.. I think Valiant has zero case, they’d just be wasting time, money and resources.
That is from 11/1/13. I have seen that before. They avoided the problem by titling the book Robert Kirkman’s Outcast
Ah, I must of blinked on the year then, was thinking Nov 1st, 2014.
At a Skybound panel during NYCC Kirkman was asked about the Outcast show and joked to not get excited about making money off the books because they are everywhere because they printed so many. It was quite funny.
That’s funny. Well, if you want Outcast to be “rare” and super valuable, buy as many and all that you can (thousands of them, thousands), keep a handful of the best ones, then burn the others (record it so you have proof they no longer exist). 🙂
Thst works. Industrial shredder them too.
forgot to mention that the 11 copies i have CGC are signed by Kirkman And Azaceta (NY was the first time they both signed the book togheter) thats to me where the money is right now, if you go to Ebay there are 0 copies signed by both, what Azaceta told me is Cinemax have the rights but it can land on any channel like for example HBO, what he said too is not to wait for any variant covers for #1 in the near future, they just wanted to have 1 cover only.
I think is going to be HUGE, lol but by huge i don’t mean more expensive than the Walking Dead, that is beyond HUGE, nobody was waiting for that book to be $2.000 dollars, but even with the amount of copies out there i think is going to be selling for way more than The Strain is now.
Dude if tou were at NYCC you should have said something. We went to sime industry parties.
Had no idea you guys were going, defenitly next year :-). I’m in Miami now but moving to NY
We had a blast. At least i did.
It was GREAT!!!! Probably we seen each other lol, I was dead for a week after but it was AWESOME
Plus i loaded up on variants before the doors opened.
Lol ME TOO!!!! I bet we even talk without realizing
Probably. I was in the front of the line at Image every day. Usually first or second. Got me some Wytches like crazy.
Ur tall super short hair??? Number 21 online for Wytches on Sunday line???
nope short and bearded with short hair. I was like 25 on Sunday.
Ohhh then no, there was a guy next to me, we were kinda the 21 on line = the first rejected LOL, but I’m sure I seen u around
Yeah. I missed out on Sunday, only day I struck out
LOL partners in pain LOL, can I feel special for being number 1 “no more variants” on Sunday!!! I was always around the CGC table at artist alley
Yeah, I stayed away from CGC all week. I am now a CBCS guy. I witness signatures for them. I was all over the place that week.
Just seen your pic, definitely haven’t talk to you, let’s change that for next year and go get a few drinks!!!!! 🙂
Yeah man, as long as it is not at the bar the Image comics party was at, their beer was stale.
LOL nobody said anything good about that party, if you have twitter you can follow me @nahuelroark
And send me a tweet so I know it you, was great talking to you man!!!
this guy:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/10/08/the-women-and-men-of-bleeding-cool-at-new-york-comic-con/head-shot/
The more I think about it there’s likely to be a crash like in the 90’s and very soon. It’s all these people buying 40 copies of books that are going to get burnt when they have 40 copies of a huge print run book. The habit of people stocking up on comic being optioned for film or tv isn’t going to hold water for to much longer. Now I see why people at all these different forums bitch about CGC grading times. Because people are submitting all these new books in hopes to turn around and sell them.
anybody thinking that a modern book is going to be worth $2.000 dollars is wrong, but you think that if somebody got 40 copies of Outcast at $2.99 each they won’t be able to sell it for at least $50 each when the show airs? there is around 350.000 copies, how many people you think is going to want to buy that book if it goes to TV?
40 copies at $2.99 = $119.6
40 copies at (worst case) $25 = $1.000
im pretty happy with making that profit of a book!!! 🙂
I agree, people will follow this book especially because it’s Kirkman and his success with the Walking Dead. I would never expect a modern comic to be worth over two grand within 5 years, but I do think it will be worth 3-4 times after the show starts. I highly doubt the print run is 350,000, maybe including all the other prints, but the first print I’m sure is less than half that.
Short term flipping might have some potential. Long term I see a dollar bin book. For lots of reasons; speculation being only one of em. It is no longer rare for a comic to be picked up for a series or a movie. It is pretty common. The trash bin is full of both garbage comics and garbage movies based on comics. The Walking Dead transcended into pop culture (kind of like TMNT). That is REALLY rare. It was also under the radar for a long time before it hit.
True value comes in stuff that is small print run (<5k) and under the radar. There are plenty of books like that which come up on this site.
This book, with the huge speculator interest from day one, an unlikely hit.
When you start flipping stuff for double cover is it really worth it? I mean, figure in your time, ebay set up, packaging, etc. It is like work, and for lots of people, it pays less than their actual job pays.
Flip stuff for fun, flip stuff to help offset costs. But when you are buying 40 copies of an issue? That is where the bust will come from.
I agree and disagree. There is short term potential in any announcement. Quick flips all around. I love when something gets optioned I already have. But a book like this could be huge, not $2000 huge but I will take a chance on 10-20 copies that a store is selling for a dollar when there is a show in production.
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“True value comes in stuff that is small print run (<5k) and under the radar."
This isn't always the case. Small print runs do not equate to value. Value is created by demand. Small print runs make things in demand harder to find and can contribute to the value by just that, making it harder to get.
But as an example, let's look at something with a huge print run that might one day be valuable due to command. Imagine a comic like Amazing Spider-Man #700 which did indeed have a huge print run. At release and over time, collectors grab the copies they want, throw into collection and keep them. Over time, more and more Spider-Man collectors are born, only to seek out this issue to add to their collection, which even with the huge print run can be hard to come by, thus creating a new demand.
I can point out plenty of small print run comic issues and they are worthless, because the demand is not there or nobody wants them.
While I was typing this, X-Force #1 comes to mind as well as a perfect example. What had millions of copies recently became sought after due to demand, driving the price up.
The value of anything is uncertain and unpredictable for sure but I one thing we can be certain of though, demand is what creates the value.
On top of what Tony and Poyo said, we have to realize that this book specifically will retain value. The reason is in the name associated with it. It is rare that shows based on comics do extremely well, but walking dead made Robert Kirkman a household name. The writer made this comic fly through print runs. As time goes on first prints will become rarer to the masses. Near mint first prints even more so. And Kirkman won’t let his show fail. He’s got the money to support it continuously. Or at least through 2-3 seasons to give it a fighting chance. That’s something that many other comic-to-movie/comic-to-TV adaptations usually don’t have. I’ll keep my 25 copies for the long term and I’m sure it will be fortunate for those that follow suit. 2000 worth? No. 50-100? That’s more probable.
TWD print run was very small and has 748 CGC 9.8’s on the census, heck even 20 CGC 9.9’s. Very early into a massive print run, Outcast has 1027 CGC 9.8’s are on the census. Completely apple as and oranges in my eyes by way of comparison of series yet look at the 9.8 numbers slabbed. A 9.8 modern is a dime a dozen, especially with Kirmans name attached to it. I got in and out early on this one so I have no stake in it. I just wasn’t feeling the comic so I let mine go within a day of getting them in from CGC. The Kirkman name does nothing for me either in regards to future investments, many of his works gets picked up as others and nothing is certain. He could not be where he is not without having a strong business mind. If Outcast does not feel like it will be a success he will walk away. I highly doubt he’d continuosly invest his time and (if any) of his money into a project second to TWD if it will not work.
Side note,
If I did have some left I’d hold them, it’s very little gamble verse very little reward now. I hope it explodes for everyone but to see it upwards of a $200 slab again I just can’t see. Perhaps it may bump it back up to around $100 for a 9.8 slab one day. Still a very nice return.
I would feel like an a$$ going to the cash register with 20 copies of a book. Also would hate myself for spending all that money on one book on the hope that I might be able to double my money. Everyone is hoping a walking dead #1 phenomenon comes along but not realizing when you’re able to buy 20 copies of something it won’t happen.
I’d only feel like an a$$ if there was only 20 copies left. All the shops in my area had stacks and stacks of these. If they literally have hundreds available, I actually wouldn’t feel that bad but then again, if they’re that easy to get, I’m not buying 20 or more in hopes they’re going to be super valuable, Walking Dead type value. No one knows what and when the next Walking Dead comic is going to happen, might take 10+ years after it’s released.
Most of the time though, when selling, I try to find the quick flip. I collect first, then flip or sell second. If it’s something I enjoy, I’ll keep a copy or two for myself, grab a couple to flip to make up for the cost of all of them to either break even or make a little extra.